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are talking here of the "Evangelical Church in Germany (EKD) and the" Catholic Church in Germany " ("RCC"), the two large churches in the Federal Republic of Germany, one of the richest countries in the world.
And so it was about again - again - played by Charity Association spokesman Mario Junglas, Member of the Board » Roundtable residential care" about the evangelical pastor Dr. Antje Vollmer, presided as 06.12.2010 at these two together on the television program "Entertainment Journal " appeared around and to justify their position on » roundtable residential care."
sees the real situation, however, of course quite different from what one tries not only to the "former home children" pretend, but also tried the whole population of the Federal Republic of Germany vorzuspiegeln.
FIRST:
disproved claim of the Church to compensate victims
SOURCE @ http://gbsbb.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/gbs-sondernewsletter-vom-15-11-2010/
evolutionary humanists Berlin-Brandenburg eV
the Sponsors of the Giordano Bruno Foundation
GBS Special Newsletter 11/15/2010
Posted by Nic 15 November 2010
"NO MONEY FOR MIXA" - GBS KORSO SUPPORTS CAMPAIGN FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE STATE BENEFITS TO THE CHURCHES
Berlin. The State services to the churches of around 500 million euros a year will be deleted. This called for the Coordination of secular organizations (FLOATS) on Monday morning in Berlin .
The Chairman of the Coordinating Council, Frieder Otto Wolf gave in the house of the National Press the start of the campaign "Enough is enough! State benefits detached from the churches, "known. It was not acceptable, Wolf said that the salaries of many bishops as well as the pension of the former Bishop Mixa of Augsburg were paid out of general taxation. are
The fact that the direct state benefits from 500 million to the church just the tip of the iceberg, the political scientist Carsten Frerk made it clear that shows in his recently published book, "Purple Book church finances," as generously financed by the German state churches. Frerk says that the church next to the church tax revenues received from nine billion euros and 45 billion for Caritas and Diakonia indirect government services in the amount of 19 billion € in: "Despite an empty treasury, the churches are funded with billions of dollars," said Frerk
To change this sent, the Giordano Bruno Foundation on behalf of "informed, however, seems hardly a politician about the extent of subsidies to be." FLOATS Frerks "Purple Book" to over a thousand policy-makers in Germany, including all members of parliament. "There is no one can later claim that he had known nothing of all this," explained Foundation spokesman Michael Schmidt-Salomon.
prominent supporter of the campaign, the former SPD-top politician Ingrid Matthaeus-Maier, criticizing for decades the lack of separation of church and state in Germany: "The constitutional mandate for separation of state services to the churches existed now for over 90 years," it said in a statement the former chairman of the Finance Committee of the Bundestag. "That the policy, despite the greatest national debt does not stop at the achievement, is a clear violation of Article 140 of the Basic Law in conjunction with Article 138 of the Weimar Constitution. I welcome the fact that they are supplied with the campaign of KORSO policy and public attention. "
The campaign to replace the state benefits is the first public action of the Coordinating Council of secular organizations, has set itself the goal to represent the non-denominational free man in Germany. More than a third of the population now belongs to no religion more.
links to message
Flyer Campaign:
http://www.korso-deutschland.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/201011-korso-flyer-staatsleistungen.pdf
parade Website:
http://www.korso-deutschland.de/
review "Purple Book Church Finance "
http://hpd.de/node/10633
Mirroring l " state based churches with billions "
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/0, 1518,727683,00 html
SECOND:.
disproved claim of the Church to compensate victims
For those who worry
about
( a. ) whether in the Federal Republic of Germany really is a separation between church and state
and
( b.) that the churches even the "financial resources cells" have significantly to the appropriate "compensation" to the "eligible" affected "" then their residential care ", ie the appropriate" compensation "to the young in their years in" their farms "" exploited contribute "," mistreated "and" injured "
I ask those who are curious and want to find out the following additional information is available
@ http://hpd.de/node/10704
Church Financing: Questions and Answers
hpd - Humanist Press
22nd November 2010 - 08:54 - No. 10 704
BONN / BERLIN. (Hpd / dbk) The Catholic Bishops Conference has published a week ago, a long list of 37 questions and answers about the church financing . Since this is considered as a contribution to the current debate over state funding of churches, has Carsten Frerk, author of the "Purple Book Church Finance " Viewed through these replies and comments.
As a technical note: The questions of the Episcopal Conference have been numbered to orient themselves better in the long text. After each question, then follows the first response of the Episcopal Conference (in normal font) and then (in italics) the comment / reply by Carsten Frerk.
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Church Financing: Questions and Answers
What is the church tax? What is State benefits? How is the church financed? What do charity and volunteering? Many questions are posed to the church financing. We provide answers to frequently asked questions.
[ a total of 10 pages of comprehensive analysis ! - which concludes on page 10 with the following words ]
Conclusion: The responses of the German Bishops' Conference once again confirm that they are religious constitution still in the 19 Century building and understanding the relation church and state even more socially appropriate. In the past forty years (since 1970) not only the membership of the churches has dropped sharply (from 95% to below 60%) but also the number of Christian believers has decreased to about 20% of the population. Not only the studies of the Evangelical Church in Germany, "Home Away From Home Church confirm this loss of meaning, the Catholic Church present the SINUS opinion that the Catholic Church is no longer" popular church "may be called, as it is represented in the youth milieu only marginal.
On the way from the "Alternative Church" (truth of the faith) to "social church" (They do so much good), the churches have not yet understood that their lobbying insistence on outdated perceptions and the concealment of the actual financing - both Church and especially its social services - to reduce their credibility further.
And see also skydaddy's Blog @ http://skydaddy.wordpress.com/2010/11/23/mobiles-einlullkommando-die- "task-force" and the "church-faq-financing" of- German Bishop-Conference /
THIRD:
Saturday, 4 December 2010
Helmut Jacobs blog @ http://helmutjacob.over-blog.de/article-einfach-widerwartig-offenbar-keine-generelle-entschadigung-fur-ehemalige-heimkinder-62343111.html
Just disgusting! - Apparently no general compensation for former children in care
04/12/2010
Not feasible?
Obviously not, no general compensation for former children in care
victims of violence in children's homes should be compensated with a lump sum general. It would seem the Round Table residential care after two years of deliberations at its last meeting in the coming week enshrine in a final report, reports the Hamburg news magazine "Der Spiegel". ...
was in the "Spiegel" report, the state and churches opposed a "fixed compensation" or a "flat-rate pension victims" as "not feasible" starting. Payments should it only on a case type, would have to prove the victims, that they "are in difficult life" itself. Agreement had been reached so far only about the fact that federal, state and churches set up a common foundation for children in care and provide one-third of the foundation's assets. The amount was still open.
http://www.domradio.de/aktuell/69717/nicht-realidierbar.html
letter to the editor in: http://dierkschaefer.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/spekulatiuszeit-zeit-fur- speculation / # comments
Dirk Friedrich said on 4 December 2010 16:12
Just disgusting!
's have stolen our childhood! We lied, cheated and broken many alumni. They let us work hard! You have locked away! Beaten, despised and abused sexually!
They have treated us like dirt! They have carved their religion of "brotherly love" in their heads. They have destroyed countless children in our files, which could serve as the only evidence of their wretched behavior. We will now demonstrate in what misery they have pushed us even though they have destroyed the evidence rigorously.
Now she shows us once again their depravity. Their contempt for human life beyond any limits. What have
these unscrupulous child molester did to us and haunts us to this day it does not stop.
The "Christian" governed countries are opposed to a fixed compensation. They are the "C" is not worth that they carry around in front of him.
What is terrible for a country? My it is no longer! However, we can
former home children are not further treat Sun Our fight goes on!
CROSS REFERENCE : » The excuses of Caritas Association spokesman Mario Junglas and the former Vice-President Bundestag Antje Vollmer re the" Round Table home education " "@ http://heimkinderopfer2.blogspot.com/2010/12/die-ausreden-von-caritas-verband.html 
CROSS REFERENCE : » analysis and criticism from the Prof. Dr. Manfred Kappes final report of the "Round Table home education" (Antje Vollmer presided). "@ http://heimkinderopfer2.blogspot.com/2010/12/auswertung-und-kritik-seitens-des-prof.html 
CROSS REFERENCE : » PRESS RELEASE from 02.11 .2010 spokesman of the "old disabled children in" Helmut Jacob: "Round Table home education: crash-landing in sight" "@ http://heimkinderopfer.blogspot.com/2010/11/pressemitteilung-vom-02112010-von.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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My [ie Martin Mitchell] own current signature: A hearing or proceeding without qualified legal counsel, the law is like a building without a foundation - a house of cards, and an indictment of every "democracy" and alleged "law", where attempts to restrict it.
My [ie. Martin Mitchell's] own current signature: negotiation with The Perpetrators, your detractors and opponents without QUALIFIED legal counsel present and by your side throughout and at all times, and without reliance upon the law and jurisprudence, is like a building without a foundation – a house of cards, and any attempt at curtailment of these rights is clear evidence of incompetence, incapability and incapacity of a country’s "constitutionality" and it’s "democracy".
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